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By: Civil discourse and our goals at Main Street Plaza | Main Street Plaza

Civil discourse and our goals at Main Street Plaza | Main Street Plaza — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:10:14 +0000

[...] that really angers me is when they stoop to rhetorical games to try to shut up their critics, cf. here and [...]

By: chanson

chanson — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:48:15 +0000

Thanks Ziff!!

By: Ziff

Ziff — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:37:31 +0000

chanson, I enjoyed this post, even if I am a bit late in commenting. I particularly loved this line:

If you open up a grocery store in the middle of your chapel, you can hardly complain that people are disrespecting your â€œsacred places of worshipâ€ by shopping there.

By: chanson

chanson — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:07:33 +0000

Thanks MoHoHawaii!!

That’s what’s so infuriating about this press release. They have the gall to end with “Once again, we call on those involved in the debate over same-sex marriage to act in a spirit of mutual respect and civility towards each other,” when the entire press release is focused on questioning whether their opponents have any right to engage them in political discoures at all!

By: MoHoHawaii

MoHoHawaii — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:53:20 +0000

I LOVE this post. You get right to the kernel of the issue.

I hadn’t really realized it until you laid it out… LDS newsroom is just playing a game. They have no intention of having any kind of discourse. That was never the point.

By: chanson

chanson — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:41:56 +0000

Exactly. They engage in politics as a church, then turn around and claim that it’s not okay for other people to respond to their organization in the political arena (since they’re a church). Then, of course, they couch this claim in double-speak since — if stated clearly — it would be laughable.

By: Abelard

Abelard — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:33:51 +0000

The LDS church exercised its constitutional right to abandon their normal position of political neutrality and to get involved in a highly controversial issue. Now the protesters are exercising their constitutional right to express their disapproval of the churches involvement. So, what is the problem?

Politics is dirty business. You can’t expect to stick your hand in and not get soiled.

By: Saganist

Saganist — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:03:47 +0000

Right on, chanson. Also, there is a difference between voicing your opinion and actually taking away the rights of others. One of these groups is not like the others; only one has taken this fight beyond the level of free expression, by actually taking away the rights of other people. The LDS church is truly not the victim here. It really irritates me to watch them spin themselves as martyrs. Enough with the doublespeak; take a little responsibility for your own actions!

By: Craig

Craig — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:26:25 +0000

The increasing insanity of the church’s PR department is making me crazy.

By: chanson

chanson — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:36:34 +0000

p.s.: I’m still trying to translate this one into plain English:

it is wrong to target the Church and its sacred places of worship for being part of the democratic process.

It seems to be “How dare you tell us we’re wrong — we’re a church for God’s sake!”

Reality check: you guys chose to participate in the “democratic process.” The protesters are doing nothing more than participating in the democratic process as well. If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen…