Comments on: Mormon Young Women – leaving in droves?

By: Craig

Craig — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:26:56 +0000

I too have a hard time seeing why having so many Mormons inactive is good for the LdS church. It seems to me that the high number of inactives seems to point to a problem in the church – there is a reason why they are inactive: the church isn’t meeting their needs, and in many cases, is causing problems.

Seth R:

â€œMembers of the church are asked to sustain and support leadership without question. It doesnâ€™t matter what they do, we are supposed to agree and support it.â€

Thatâ€™s not what I was thinking when I raised my hand.

That may not be what you’re thinking, but its what you’re expected to do, whether you like it or not, and that’s a well documented fact.

By: Inactive Mormon Woman

Inactive Mormon Woman — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:38:39 +0000

Seth R-I realize that my repsonse could be taken either way. That was actually meant as a sincere question, not an argumentative one. In mormon culture it generally means following completely, so I am wondering what it means to you.

By: Guy Noir Private Eye

Guy Noir Private Eye — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:55:46 +0000

MZ:
I don’t know if you realized it or not…
A while back it was common for GAs to qualify their talks/sayings with stmnts-phrases like:
‘It has been our experience that….’ and so forth…
Did others ever notice this? I think it may have gone out of fashion lately.
AGREE with your thoughts. The finger-pointing between Mos & Apostates… “You’re Stupid for believing /not believing” …are about an equal stand-off

By: MormonZero

MormonZero — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:20:08 +0000

In my personal experiences I must concur w/ IMW. There is so little openness in the church and if a GA says something it may as well of come from Christ or God himself (What can you expect tho when they teach this w/ scripture in Seminary and Institute?) If you express an opinion outside of the orthodox thinking, one is pushed away like they are either stupid, don’t have a testimony, thinking too intellectually w/o faith, a sinner, or trying to negatively criticize the leadership.

This has been my experience…some others may have had different experiences.

By: Inactive Mormon Woman

Inactive Mormon Woman — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:24:20 +0000

Seth, what were you thinking you thinking when you sustained the new president of the LDS church? What does sustain mean to you?

By: Guy Noir Private Eye

Guy Noir Private Eye — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:09:44 +0000

IMW: Dead-on, sister.

By: Seth R.

Seth R. — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:23:57 +0000

“Members of the church are asked to sustain and support leadership without question. It doesnâ€™t matter what they do, we are supposed to agree and support it.”

That’s not what I was thinking when I raised my hand.

By: Inactive Mormon Woman

Inactive Mormon Woman — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:18:27 +0000

proxfm-Thanks!!!

Seth R-I have to say though, I don’t see the general leadership of the church caring about fairness to others-gays & lesbians, women, anyone with a differing opinion, etc. I think there is an effort to defend anything the church says to. Members of the church are asked to sustain and support leadership without question. It doesn’t matter what they do, we are supposed to agree and support it.

By: Hellmut

Hellmut — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:59:50 +0000

We don’t have to assume the worst in people. We know what happens to gays and lesbians. We know what happens to young girls. We know what is going on in the MTC. We know what we did to African Americans.

There is no need to assume anything.

By: Seth R.

Seth R. — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:02:16 +0000

“The pressure to defend our leaders brings out the worst in us.”

It’s not a pressure to defend Hellmut. It’s an urge to be fair to people. And you don’t get fairness from automatically assuming the worst about people at every drop of a hat.