Comments on: BYU Management Society to award NOM director Orson Scott Card

By: Last Call for Brodies Nominations! | Main Street Plaza

Last Call for Brodies Nominations! | Main Street Plaza — Sat, 01 Jan 2011 17:11:32 +0000

[...] BYU Management Society to award NOM director Orson Scott Card [...]

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By: Orson Scott Card: Believers who claim to have heard voices are ‘wackos’ | Main Street Plaza

Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:46:30 +0000

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By: M. Russell Ballard and Quentin L. Cook co-chair $1,000-a-plate award night for anti-gay crusader Robby George | Main Street Plaza

Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:51:02 +0000

[...] Not nice. Especially you, Bill Marriott, after all your assurances that you had nothing to do with Prop 8. It’s only been two months since you went to that dinner honoring Orson Scott Card. [...]

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By: chanson

chanson — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:46:02 +0000

Craig — That’s a very good point. For a lot of these leaders who grew up in a different era, it is probably just a case of mentally lumping together all of these taboo items.

But I agree that in Card’s case, he has become rabidly fixated on this one issue and was personally interested enough in exploring gay romance to write a story about it, back in his younger days… I mean, it’s theoretically possible that he’s not gay, but Occam’s razor would point to the simpler explanation that he is.

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By: Craig

Craig — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:33:17 +0000

@Hellmut

What do you mean?

I’m saying that because Mormonism makes an artificial delineation between “good” and “bad” sex, anyone who engages in sex which is on the “bad” side of the line must therefore be bad. It’s another instance of the black/white either/or good/evil thinking in the church. I think it is safe to say that most Mormons are of the opinion that engaging in any of the “bad” kinds of sex is inherently harmful, even if it’s just masturbation, non-marital sex, or gay sex.

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By: Hellmut

Hellmut — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 01:55:17 +0000

There is some creepy stuff out there, Craig, but let me just add, those kind of Mormons are probably pretty rare.

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By: Chino Blanco

Chino Blanco — Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:20:13 +0000

That they’re awarding this prize to a crank is all the more appalling considering that last year’s recipient was none other than President Henry B. Eyring, first counselor in the LDS First Presidency:

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/57202/President-Eyring-feted-by-BYU-Management-Society.html

BYUMS-DC’s 2009 PSA recipient: graduate of Harvard Graduate School of Business, served on the faculty of the Graduate School of Business at Stanford University, former president of BYU-Idaho, ordained an apostle on April 6, 1995.

BYUMS-DC’s 2010 PSA recipient: Orson Scott Card. Sci-Fi Author. Homophobe. Crank. Lately best-known for penning passages like this:

“Biological imperatives trump laws. American government cannot fight against marriage and hope to endure. If the Constitution is defined in such a way as to destroy the privileged position of marriage, it is that insane Constitution, not marriage, that will die.”

OSC’s views are old news. What’s new and troubling is BYUMS-DC’s decision to honor this character.

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By: Craig

Craig — Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:51:11 +0000

While it is certainly possible, I don’t necessarily think that Kimball or many of the other church leaders were/are gay – though I think some (Packer anyone?) are. Many Mormons, (especially including the orthodox hierarchy) view all non-missionary position heterosexual sex as deviant, evil, salacious, and prurient. Whether it is gay sex, masturbation, oral sex, sex with a prostitute, bestiality, incest and even rape, it’s all the exact same category – unapproved sex. One invariable leads to the other precisely because they’re all in the same category, at least in their heads. They’re so incredibly sexually frustrated and repressed that they don’t see the difference between safe, consensual sexual activity, and unsafe, non-consensual activities.

The degree to which Card is obsessed with this topic however, does make me think that he is probably gay/bi. He’s just so incredibly fixated on this one issue.

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By: chanson

chanson — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:42:32 +0000

Why else, let me reiterate, why else would he possibly think that masturbating made one gay?

Excellent point.

To play “devil’s advocate” though, that belief could possibly be chalked up to the fact that adolescents (regardless of orientation) often experiment with members of their own sex. So he might think that enjoying adolescent sex play might make someone gay.

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By: djinn

djinn — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 23:32:55 +0000

While we’re busy outing closeted gay mormons, what about Spencer W. Kimball? Why else, let me reiterate, why else would he possibly think that masturbating made one gay?

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