Comments on: The Alternate Universe that is Utah http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2010/02/18/the-alternate-universe-that-is-utah/ A Community for Anyone Interested in Mormonism. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:55:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Hellmut http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2010/02/18/the-alternate-universe-that-is-utah/comment-page-1/#comment-73429 Hellmut Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:04:56 +0000 http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1590#comment-73429 The problem with traditionalists is, Chino, that they do not understand the past. If they did, they would realize that marriage is a social construct that is subject to adaptations across time and space. I doubt that Rick's marriage has much in common with a marriage among Pashtuns or with a 19th century marriage in Maine. Whether adaptations are effective is empirical question. I find it curious that no opponent of marriage equality can specify the observables of our civilization's doom. The problem with traditionalists is, Chino, that they do not understand the past.

If they did, they would realize that marriage is a social construct that is subject to adaptations across time and space.

I doubt that Rick’s marriage has much in common with a marriage among Pashtuns or with a 19th century marriage in Maine.

Whether adaptations are effective is empirical question. I find it curious that no opponent of marriage equality can specify the observables of our civilization’s doom.

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]]> By: Chino Blanco http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2010/02/18/the-alternate-universe-that-is-utah/comment-page-1/#comment-73428 Chino Blanco Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:34:04 +0000 http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1590#comment-73428 Rick, Sometime between now and Easter, you should give this a read: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02262010/transcript1.html I think that, going forward, I'm gonna make that conversation with Olson and Boies required reading for anyone who wants to engage on this issue. I'm sorry we never had that debate in Maine, but as I told you at the time, your allowing ugly gaybashing comments to stay up on the official Yes on 1 Facebook page convinced me that you guys weren't worth the effort. And I'm sorry for this threadjack. For anyone who's been following along, without a doubt, this year's session has been <a href="http://blogs.sltrib.com/slcrawler/index.php?p=11974&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1" rel="nofollow">downright weird</a>, even for Utah. Rick,

Sometime between now and Easter, you should give this a read: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02262010/transcript1.html

I think that, going forward, I’m gonna make that conversation with Olson and Boies required reading for anyone who wants to engage on this issue.

I’m sorry we never had that debate in Maine, but as I told you at the time, your allowing ugly gaybashing comments to stay up on the official Yes on 1 Facebook page convinced me that you guys weren’t worth the effort.

And I’m sorry for this threadjack. For anyone who’s been following along, without a doubt, this year’s session has been downright weird, even for Utah.

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]]> By: Rick DeLano http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2010/02/18/the-alternate-universe-that-is-utah/comment-page-1/#comment-73416 Rick DeLano Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:15:09 +0000 http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1590#comment-73416 Sheesh, Chino, I was just checking in on you and here was this big ol' link and I just clicked and the next thing you know.........I couldn't help it. I was posting. Again. And I really *have* given it up for Lent! So forgive me, I promise to remain silent until Easter. I will then try to make up for lost time, since, as you know, the Pyrrhic victory of all Pyrrhic victories will have been rung out in Baghdad by the Bay........ Sheesh, Chino, I was just checking in on you and here was this big ol’ link and I just clicked and the next thing you know………I couldn’t help it. I was posting. Again. And I really *have* given it up for Lent! So forgive me, I promise to remain silent until Easter. I will then try to make up for lost time, since, as you know, the Pyrrhic victory of all Pyrrhic victories will have been rung out in Baghdad by the Bay……..

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]]> By: Chino Blanco http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2010/02/18/the-alternate-universe-that-is-utah/comment-page-1/#comment-73372 Chino Blanco Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:01:21 +0000 http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1590#comment-73372 Well, that was spamalicious, Rick. What's a good Catholic boy like you doin' spamming X-Mormon blogs? Feeling lonely since your Maine win? By the way, did you see that CPAC poll? 1%. Hahahahaha. Nobody cares about your pet issue any more, not even conservatives (well, OK, 1% of CPAC attendees apparently care, but otherwise, the debate is over for nearly everyone who's not getting paid to continue inhabiting your weird universe). Next time, instead of spamming an unrelated thread, just drop a note letting us know you're bored and missing your playpals Frank and Jeff and Robby, and we'll see what we can do to indulge you, but it won't be on a thread about global warming. Well, that was spamalicious, Rick. What’s a good Catholic boy like you doin’ spamming X-Mormon blogs? Feeling lonely since your Maine win? By the way, did you see that CPAC poll? 1%. Hahahahaha. Nobody cares about your pet issue any more, not even conservatives (well, OK, 1% of CPAC attendees apparently care, but otherwise, the debate is over for nearly everyone who’s not getting paid to continue inhabiting your weird universe).

Next time, instead of spamming an unrelated thread, just drop a note letting us know you’re bored and missing your playpals Frank and Jeff and Robby, and we’ll see what we can do to indulge you, but it won’t be on a thread about global warming.

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]]> By: Hellmut http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2010/02/18/the-alternate-universe-that-is-utah/comment-page-1/#comment-73371 Hellmut Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:21:03 +0000 http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1590#comment-73371 Of course, gender is essential to marriage, Rick. Men and women should both be allowed to get married. Gender discrimination in marriage would be horrible. Of course, gender is essential to marriage, Rick. Men and women should both be allowed to get married.

Gender discrimination in marriage would be horrible.

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]]> By: Rick DeLano http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2010/02/18/the-alternate-universe-that-is-utah/comment-page-1/#comment-73370 Rick DeLano Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:04:53 +0000 http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1590#comment-73370 Psst: I hate to spoil the fun, but the alternate universe is inhabited by those who insist that gender has no meaning in marriage, and that evidence has no meaning in science. Those who insist that gender is fundamental to marriage, and evidence fundamental to science will keep the light on for you. Psst: I hate to spoil the fun, but the alternate universe is inhabited by those who insist that gender has no meaning in marriage, and that evidence has no meaning in science.

Those who insist that gender is fundamental to marriage, and evidence fundamental to science will keep the light on for you.

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]]> By: Kevin http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2010/02/18/the-alternate-universe-that-is-utah/comment-page-1/#comment-73344 Kevin Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:46:43 +0000 http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1590#comment-73344 Whether or not you think greenhouse gases are warming the Earth, they certainly make for nasty winter inversions. Don't these legislators breathe air? Whether or not you think greenhouse gases are warming the Earth, they certainly make for nasty winter inversions. Don’t these legislators breathe air?

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]]> By: Parker http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2010/02/18/the-alternate-universe-that-is-utah/comment-page-1/#comment-73337 Parker Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:53:29 +0000 http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1590#comment-73337 Well I guess there is something to be said for Steve's position to eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die. Not much, but something. What I see is the great majority of scientist who study climate change data interpret that data as showing global warming. Not all agree that it is human caused (some think it is cyclical). The zealots seem to be those who claim it is all a hoax, and the scientist are being bought off by the government, via research grants. These same people probably think cancer is a hoax too, and scientist are being bought off with research grants in that area as well to shore up the arguments for a public health insurance option, for the express purpose of making most US Citizens depend on big government. Well I guess there is something to be said for Steve’s position to eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die. Not much, but something.

What I see is the great majority of scientist who study climate change data interpret that data as showing global warming. Not all agree that it is human caused (some think it is cyclical). The zealots seem to be those who claim it is all a hoax, and the scientist are being bought off by the government, via research grants. These same people probably think cancer is a hoax too, and scientist are being bought off with research grants in that area as well to shore up the arguments for a public health insurance option, for the express purpose of making most US Citizens depend on big government.

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]]> By: Steve EM http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2010/02/18/the-alternate-universe-that-is-utah/comment-page-1/#comment-73336 Steve EM Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:33:01 +0000 http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1590#comment-73336 I don’t know much about Utah politics, but put me down as a man-caused climate change skeptic too. I'm a professional scientist well versed in the scientific method, and the climate change crowd seem more like religious zealots than scientists to me. Moreover, if mankind is changing the climate, the global political reality makes the issue moot. In the short term of the next few generations, the developing world will not cease ever increasing carbon emissions dwarfing whatever the developed countries might do to reverse the trend. Since there’s then no rationale for the developed countries to do anything, politicians who call for purposeless sacrifice look as foolish as they are and the voters will sweep them out, etc. In short, Chicken Little gets ignored, just as he should be. I don’t know much about Utah politics, but put me down as a man-caused climate change skeptic too. I’m a professional scientist well versed in the scientific method, and the climate change crowd seem more like religious zealots than scientists to me. Moreover, if mankind is changing the climate, the global political reality makes the issue moot. In the short term of the next few generations, the developing world will not cease ever increasing carbon emissions dwarfing whatever the developed countries might do to reverse the trend. Since there’s then no rationale for the developed countries to do anything, politicians who call for purposeless sacrifice look as foolish as they are and the voters will sweep them out, etc. In short, Chicken Little gets ignored, just as he should be.

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]]> By: BYUAgnostic http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2010/02/18/the-alternate-universe-that-is-utah/comment-page-1/#comment-73332 BYUAgnostic Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:11:14 +0000 http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1590#comment-73332 Luckily, not my district. Luckily, not my district.

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