I currently have a friend who is married to a non-member and again it is a non-issue. Maybe because religion is not the main focus of their relationship. They have many interest that they enjoy together as a couple. They also have many things they enjoy doing separately.

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They do. Speak of the devil, someone just left a comment at fMh today saying:

As a primary teacher I tell my boys, last year 11 yr olds, this year 9, you can not make it to the Celestial kingdom alone. I look at john and say you will not make it there without your wife, girls you will not make it without your husbands. You need a righteous loving marriage sealed in the temple to make it and that will not happen if you do not show anything short of total respect and love.

So much for having correlated manuals to ensure correct doctrine.

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It would not surprise me however, if popular Mormon culture reductionistically equates “Celestial Marriage” with the Celestial Glory.

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D&C 131:1-4 says that 1) there are three degrees of glory in the Celestial Kingdom, 2) to gain the highest, one must enter into the “new and everlasting covenant of marriage” (now interpreted as temple marriage), and one who does not enter that covenant can enter the Celestial Kingdom but cannot obtain the highest level.

So that’s the official teaching, although I think there are many members who don’t seem to know that.

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In any case, it’s what my own husband believes. I was sort of answering the question in accordance with his beliefs on the matter.

#65 Alan ~ I noticed that too. I just assumed Seth meant “spouses” for his first mention of “wives” and let it go, though I don’t blame you for poking fun at it.

On an interesting note along those lines though, my own experience says that the male partner is a lot more likely to lose faith in the church than the female partner. I know quite a few couples where the man has stopped believing in the church and the woman is still TBM. I’ve known couples where the woman stopped believing in the church and the husband eventually followed suit. I’m not sure I’ve ever known a couple where the woman stopped believing and the husband stayed TBM. (Not saying that it hasn’t happened…) Subsequently, most of the people making spouse-complaints on post-LDS venues are men complaining about their TBM wives.

I’ve long observed that men generally seem to be more interested in discussing theology, doctrine and apologetics than women. I’d chalk it up to that.

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If anyone talked about my wife that way in front of me, I’d punch them in the face. I can only feel sick pity for the women married to such worthless excuses for husbands and wives.

His tag-on “and wives” made me imagine a lesbian couple, a woman and her wife, and how nonsensical this is in the context of TBMness.

Lesbian: “Don’t talk about my wife that way!”
Disrespectful Ex-Mormon: “Your wife? How can she be your wife if she’s a TBM? I’m confused.”
Lesbian: “Oh that’s it! I’ve had it with you!” *punches the ex-Mormon in the face*

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