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	<title>Comments on: Sunday in Outer Blogness: Monday edition!</title>
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		<title>By: Sabayon</title>
		<link>http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2009/03/23/sunday-in-outer-blogness-monday-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-69620</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabayon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;weâ€™re hoping to hear more from Sabayon about her experiences actually having survived the Texas educational system.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh right, I&#039;ll have to do that soon, although re:Textbooks specifically I think it says everything you need to know about that at my High School -- which had easily one of the top five Science program in the state (within a public school, obviously the Catholic high schools all had better bio departments since they teach evolution), if not the very best -- we did not actually &lt;i&gt;use&lt;/i&gt; the textbooks assigned for each class and our lessons were always from handouts, usually photocopies of texts from other states.  I mean sure we might take out the book to use those reference pages where they had the philogenetic tree, or the periodic table or a metric conversion, but the entire content of the books was ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>weâ€™re hoping to hear more from Sabayon about her experiences actually having survived the Texas educational system.</i></p>
<p>Oh right, I&#8217;ll have to do that soon, although re:Textbooks specifically I think it says everything you need to know about that at my High School &#8212; which had easily one of the top five Science program in the state (within a public school, obviously the Catholic high schools all had better bio departments since they teach evolution), if not the very best &#8212; we did not actually <i>use</i> the textbooks assigned for each class and our lessons were always from handouts, usually photocopies of texts from other states.  I mean sure we might take out the book to use those reference pages where they had the philogenetic tree, or the periodic table or a metric conversion, but the entire content of the books was ignored.
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		<title>By: chanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>chanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aerin -- You&#039;re welcome!  I&#039;m glad you enjoy it -- it&#039;s fun for me to gather the posts up as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aerin &#8212; You&#8217;re welcome!  I&#8217;m glad you enjoy it &#8212; it&#8217;s fun for me to gather the posts up as well.
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		<title>By: aerin</title>
		<link>http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2009/03/23/sunday-in-outer-blogness-monday-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-69603</link>
		<dc:creator>aerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with chanson - each message board is a different place.

Also - thanks chanson for the nod.  I enjoy reading all the different stories and posts from the week before.  Thanks for organizing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with chanson &#8211; each message board is a different place.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; thanks chanson for the nod.  I enjoy reading all the different stories and posts from the week before.  Thanks for organizing this.
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		<title>By: chanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>chanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, now that I&#039;ve had a chance to look over Seth Payne&#039;s paper, I have a huge problem with the methodology:

He draws practically all of his data from RfM!  And the rest, he takes from the only source known to be &lt;i&gt;more hostile&lt;/i&gt; to Mormonism:  Evangelical Christians who are actively trying to deconvert Mormons!

You have to take into account that &lt;a href=&quot;http://lfab-uvm.blogspot.com/2006/09/my-friend-internet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;every Internet message board is a social community&lt;/a&gt; with its own flavor which reinforces itself in a number of ways (people are attracted by its reputation, they stick around because they fit in, they modify their own style to fit in, etc.).  Five years ago it may have appeared that RfM was the only game in town for former Mormons.  But the number of alternate venues that have sprung up since then -- each serving a different niche -- demonstrates that RfM&#039;s &quot;recovery&quot; style &lt;i&gt;doesn&#039;t represent the whole community&lt;/i&gt;, not even the whole secular exmo community.  They serve a real, valid segment &lt;i&gt;within&lt;/i&gt; they exmo community, but it&#039;s wrong to suggest that RfM = the former-Mormon community.

As far as I&#039;m concerned, the sample is so biased that it renders the study worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, now that I&#8217;ve had a chance to look over Seth Payne&#8217;s paper, I have a huge problem with the methodology:</p>
<p>He draws practically all of his data from RfM!  And the rest, he takes from the only source known to be <i>more hostile</i> to Mormonism:  Evangelical Christians who are actively trying to deconvert Mormons!</p>
<p>You have to take into account that <a href="http://lfab-uvm.blogspot.com/2006/09/my-friend-internet.html" rel="nofollow">every Internet message board is a social community</a> with its own flavor which reinforces itself in a number of ways (people are attracted by its reputation, they stick around because they fit in, they modify their own style to fit in, etc.).  Five years ago it may have appeared that RfM was the only game in town for former Mormons.  But the number of alternate venues that have sprung up since then &#8212; each serving a different niche &#8212; demonstrates that RfM&#8217;s &#8220;recovery&#8221; style <i>doesn&#8217;t represent the whole community</i>, not even the whole secular exmo community.  They serve a real, valid segment <i>within</i> they exmo community, but it&#8217;s wrong to suggest that RfM = the former-Mormon community.</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, the sample is so biased that it renders the study worthless.
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		<title>By: chanson</title>
		<link>http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2009/03/23/sunday-in-outer-blogness-monday-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-69591</link>
		<dc:creator>chanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know.  I can&#039;t fathom why anyone would think that way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know.  I can&#8217;t fathom why anyone would think that way&#8230;
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		<title>By: Andrew S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I continue to misunderstand is this: do people REALLY think that family/life is only important/valued if you believe that you can have them for eternity? I mean, that quote has a distinctly LDS spin to it (it&#039;s about family), but lots of people ask a generic, &quot;What&#039;s the point of doing anything if when we die, that&#039;s it?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I continue to misunderstand is this: do people REALLY think that family/life is only important/valued if you believe that you can have them for eternity? I mean, that quote has a distinctly LDS spin to it (it&#8217;s about family), but lots of people ask a generic, &#8220;What&#8217;s the point of doing anything if when we die, that&#8217;s it?&#8221;
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