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		<title>By: Chino Blanco</title>
		<link>http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2008/11/16/sunday-in-outer-blogness-afterglow-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-31515</link>
		<dc:creator>Chino Blanco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thus it has been with us. Joseph Duncan said, if the people would elect him, he would exterminate the &#039;Mormons&#039; and take away their charters. As to Mr. Ford he made no such threats, but manifested a spirit in his speeches to give every man his rights; hence the church universally voted for Mr. Ford, and he was elected governor.&quot;

plus Ã§a change ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thus it has been with us. Joseph Duncan said, if the people would elect him, he would exterminate the &#8216;Mormons&#8217; and take away their charters. As to Mr. Ford he made no such threats, but manifested a spirit in his speeches to give every man his rights; hence the church universally voted for Mr. Ford, and he was elected governor.&#8221;</p>
<p>plus Ã§a change &#8230;
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hellmut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Itâ€™s really shocking how people have picked up this crazy â€œcriticism violates my first amendment rights!â€ nonsense and have run wild with it!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There is that notion that freedom is happy and carefree, a return to a childlike state without worries and constraints.  
In reality, of course, there will be quite a bit of conflict and resistance when you encounter other free people who have different ideas than you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Itâ€™s really shocking how people have picked up this crazy â€œcriticism violates my first amendment rights!â€ nonsense and have run wild with it!</p></blockquote>
<p>There is that notion that freedom is happy and carefree, a return to a childlike state without worries and constraints.<br />
In reality, of course, there will be quite a bit of conflict and resistance when you encounter other free people who have different ideas than you do.
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		<title>By: Chino Blanco</title>
		<link>http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2008/11/16/sunday-in-outer-blogness-afterglow-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-31499</link>
		<dc:creator>Chino Blanco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check this out ...

Joseph Smith:

&quot;With regard to elections, some say all the Latter-day Saints vote together, and vote as I say.  But I never tell any man how to vote or whom to vote for.  But I will show you how we have been situated by bringing a comparison.  Should there be a Methodist society here and two candidates running for office, one says, &#039;If you will vote for me and put me in governor, I will exterminate 
the Methodists, take away their charters,&#039; etc.  The other candidate says, &#039;If I am governor, I will give all an equal privilege.&#039;  Which would the Methodists vote for?  Of course they would vote en masse for the candidate that would give them their rights.&quot;

http://www.echols.info/dry%20kindling.pdf

What does it all mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check this out &#8230;</p>
<p>Joseph Smith:</p>
<p>&#8220;With regard to elections, some say all the Latter-day Saints vote together, and vote as I say.  But I never tell any man how to vote or whom to vote for.  But I will show you how we have been situated by bringing a comparison.  Should there be a Methodist society here and two candidates running for office, one says, &#8216;If you will vote for me and put me in governor, I will exterminate<br />
the Methodists, take away their charters,&#8217; etc.  The other candidate says, &#8216;If I am governor, I will give all an equal privilege.&#8217;  Which would the Methodists vote for?  Of course they would vote en masse for the candidate that would give them their rights.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.echols.info/dry%20kindling.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.echols.info/dry%20kindling.pdf</a></p>
<p>What does it all mean?
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		<title>By: chanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>chanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chino -- good article.  The author makes some of the same points I made in &lt;a href=&quot;http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2008/11/09/free-expression-basics-and-lds-newsroom-meme/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my post on free speech&lt;/a&gt;, right down to the Sarah Palin quote. ;)

It&#039;s really shocking how people have picked up this crazy &quot;criticism violates my first amendment rights!&quot; nonsense and have run wild with it!  No matter how idiotic it is, I&#039;m afraid we&#039;ll be stuck responding to it for years to come...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chino &#8212; good article.  The author makes some of the same points I made in <a href="http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2008/11/09/free-expression-basics-and-lds-newsroom-meme/" rel="nofollow">my post on free speech</a>, right down to the Sarah Palin quote. <img src='http://latterdaymainstreet.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s really shocking how people have picked up this crazy &#8220;criticism violates my first amendment rights!&#8221; nonsense and have run wild with it!  No matter how idiotic it is, I&#8217;m afraid we&#8217;ll be stuck responding to it for years to come&#8230;
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		<title>By: Chino Blanco</title>
		<link>http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2008/11/16/sunday-in-outer-blogness-afterglow-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-31487</link>
		<dc:creator>Chino Blanco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... the marriage equality movement appears to have moved past the focus on criticizing the CoJCoL-dS and other churches and instead focused their message on love, family, and equal rights.&quot;

As emotions subside and we begin to consider this entire brouhaha in the cold light of day, it&#039;s gonna become increasingly apparent that those on the Yes side voted to amend a constitution that they never understood in the first place:

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9963

Ignorance is the meat-and-potatoes of the Yes side.

That more Americans have seen more gay families on display during the past week than ever before in their lifetimes is our gravy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; the marriage equality movement appears to have moved past the focus on criticizing the CoJCoL-dS and other churches and instead focused their message on love, family, and equal rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>As emotions subside and we begin to consider this entire brouhaha in the cold light of day, it&#8217;s gonna become increasingly apparent that those on the Yes side voted to amend a constitution that they never understood in the first place:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9963" rel="nofollow">http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9963</a></p>
<p>Ignorance is the meat-and-potatoes of the Yes side.</p>
<p>That more Americans have seen more gay families on display during the past week than ever before in their lifetimes is our gravy.
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