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		<title>By: Reviews of &#8220;8&#8243; are rolling in! &#124; Main Street Plaza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reviews of &#8220;8&#8243; are rolling in! &#124; Main Street Plaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (Though I did make the same points, perhaps less concisely, here, here, and in the discussion here.  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Collen Panama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Collen Panama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Will have to come back again when my class load lets up - however I am taking your RSS feed so I can read your site offline. Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to say but we are like the Nazis.
Hate crimes have now been perpetrated against Mormons in other places that are encouraged by this hate crime of taking children away from their families. Think Krystalnacht. The holocaust was a historical event that I had hoped would never be repeated.

I am starting to question why Jeffs was prosecuted when the alleged 19 year old rapist was not. I think Jeffs was brought down for political reasons not because of what he did legally. He was too powerful of a leader and I agree he did some very unplesant things to his people. I don&#039;t condone forcing young girls to be married against their will BUT I am starting to wonder why people who think it is funny to rip crying babies out of their mothers arms would care ? As a matter of fact these religious zealot do gooders have caused women and girls to have metal instruments forcibly inserted into their body cavities. Which is also called &quot;rape with a foreign object&quot;. Religious persecution at its finest.

These children being taken out of danger and put in a safe place is about as true as Hitler caring about the health and cleanliness of Jews and building them nice showers to bathe in.

Lets get this straight for once and for all, the government doesn&#039;t care about the well being of children or adults it never has.
Watch this movie it will explain alot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHJ2joOSSGw&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=97FE328F1F080027&amp;index=0&amp;playnext=1

Another thing I&#039;d like to add is that they were not having sex with children. I&#039;m sorry but a 14 year old girl is a young adult not a child. This has been true since the recorded history of man. Statutory rape laws are stupid, unconstitutional and don&#039;t stop anyone from having sex. The only purpose of them is to use as a tool to selectively prosecute Mormons while the other 99.9% of &quot;offenders&quot; go happily on their way.

Marriage laws that don&#039;t let pregnant girls get married are  a violation of their constitutional rights to practice their religion among other things. Laws against polygamy are Unconstitutional for the same reason. It is nobody&#039;s (*&amp;*&amp;%$ business what people do in their bedrooms at night. If there were rape victims at YFZ ranch they have had ample opportunity to make themselves known. The only &quot;rape victim&quot; thus far is a mentally deranged crank caller from another state who has never lived in ANY FLDS community. 

It is not right to punish children by taking away their home, Father, Mother, siblings and possibly their lives. What did these little children do wrong to deserve to be arrested and imprisoned ?

There was never a legal reason to even go into these peoples ranch. Books made by former members who want to tell lies to make money just don&#039;t cut it for probable cause.
The police never had a right to even set foot on the property must less arrest hundreds of people and hold them prisoner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to say but we are like the Nazis.<br />
Hate crimes have now been perpetrated against Mormons in other places that are encouraged by this hate crime of taking children away from their families. Think Krystalnacht. The holocaust was a historical event that I had hoped would never be repeated.</p>
<p>I am starting to question why Jeffs was prosecuted when the alleged 19 year old rapist was not. I think Jeffs was brought down for political reasons not because of what he did legally. He was too powerful of a leader and I agree he did some very unplesant things to his people. I don&#8217;t condone forcing young girls to be married against their will BUT I am starting to wonder why people who think it is funny to rip crying babies out of their mothers arms would care ? As a matter of fact these religious zealot do gooders have caused women and girls to have metal instruments forcibly inserted into their body cavities. Which is also called &#8220;rape with a foreign object&#8221;. Religious persecution at its finest.</p>
<p>These children being taken out of danger and put in a safe place is about as true as Hitler caring about the health and cleanliness of Jews and building them nice showers to bathe in.</p>
<p>Lets get this straight for once and for all, the government doesn&#8217;t care about the well being of children or adults it never has.<br />
Watch this movie it will explain alot.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHJ2joOSSGw&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=97FE328F1F080027&#038;index=0&#038;playnext=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHJ2joOSSGw&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=97FE328F1F080027&#038;index=0&#038;playnext=1</a></p>
<p>Another thing I&#8217;d like to add is that they were not having sex with children. I&#8217;m sorry but a 14 year old girl is a young adult not a child. This has been true since the recorded history of man. Statutory rape laws are stupid, unconstitutional and don&#8217;t stop anyone from having sex. The only purpose of them is to use as a tool to selectively prosecute Mormons while the other 99.9% of &#8220;offenders&#8221; go happily on their way.</p>
<p>Marriage laws that don&#8217;t let pregnant girls get married are  a violation of their constitutional rights to practice their religion among other things. Laws against polygamy are Unconstitutional for the same reason. It is nobody&#8217;s (*&amp;*&amp;%$ business what people do in their bedrooms at night. If there were rape victims at YFZ ranch they have had ample opportunity to make themselves known. The only &#8220;rape victim&#8221; thus far is a mentally deranged crank caller from another state who has never lived in ANY FLDS community. </p>
<p>It is not right to punish children by taking away their home, Father, Mother, siblings and possibly their lives. What did these little children do wrong to deserve to be arrested and imprisoned ?</p>
<p>There was never a legal reason to even go into these peoples ranch. Books made by former members who want to tell lies to make money just don&#8217;t cut it for probable cause.<br />
The police never had a right to even set foot on the property must less arrest hundreds of people and hold them prisoner.
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		<title>By: chanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>chanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hellmut -- If you want to convince me this is not like the Nazis, the &lt;i&gt;absolute last&lt;/i&gt; way to do it is by saying &quot;It&#039;s different because the FLDS are &lt;i&gt;so bad&lt;/i&gt;! No, really, they&#039;re just that bad that we can&#039;t be bound by normal people&#039;s rules when dealing with them!&quot;  The way to convince me would be by saying &quot;We&#039;re not like the Nazis because &lt;i&gt;we will follow Constitutional due process&lt;/i&gt; and any FLDS person accused of a crime &lt;i&gt;will be given a fair trial just like any other citizen&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;

If they&#039;re that dangerous of criminals (very possible), and if there exists overwhelming evidence out there somewhere to prove it, then that&#039;s just all the more reason that the authorities had absolutely &lt;i&gt;no excuse to screw it up this badly&lt;/i&gt;!!!

If what has been reported in the news is correct, then this raid was so totally illegal that (if there&#039;s a functioning court system at any level in the U.S.), the case &lt;i&gt;will be thrown out&lt;/i&gt;, which means that in all likelihood dangerous people will go free.  And &lt;i&gt;when&lt;/i&gt; that happens, I don&#039;t want to hear anyone complaining about that pesky old Constitution and how inconvenient it is for the cops to have to follow it when putting away the bad guys.  If criminals go free in this case, it will be &lt;i&gt;entirely&lt;/i&gt; the fault of the people who &lt;i&gt;chose&lt;/i&gt; to plan and execute this raid in an illegal and unconstitutional manner.  They should be loudly and unequivocally denounced for it by everyone who wants to see justice served.

Regarding putting the kids in foster care:  If we grant that there exist cases where kids need to be removed from parents for their own safety, a &lt;i&gt;bare minimum&lt;/i&gt; for this has to be an &lt;i&gt;actual suspicion that the child is in danger of harm or abuse&lt;/i&gt;.  Maybe popular opinion is right that these guys really are evil and dangerous, but &lt;i&gt;the courts need evidence&lt;/i&gt;.  In &lt;i&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; case.  No exceptions, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hellmut &#8212; If you want to convince me this is not like the Nazis, the <i>absolute last</i> way to do it is by saying &#8220;It&#8217;s different because the FLDS are <i>so bad</i>! No, really, they&#8217;re just that bad that we can&#8217;t be bound by normal people&#8217;s rules when dealing with them!&#8221;  The way to convince me would be by saying &#8220;We&#8217;re not like the Nazis because <i>we will follow Constitutional due process</i> and any FLDS person accused of a crime <i>will be given a fair trial just like any other citizen</i>.&#8221;</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re that dangerous of criminals (very possible), and if there exists overwhelming evidence out there somewhere to prove it, then that&#8217;s just all the more reason that the authorities had absolutely <i>no excuse to screw it up this badly</i>!!!</p>
<p>If what has been reported in the news is correct, then this raid was so totally illegal that (if there&#8217;s a functioning court system at any level in the U.S.), the case <i>will be thrown out</i>, which means that in all likelihood dangerous people will go free.  And <i>when</i> that happens, I don&#8217;t want to hear anyone complaining about that pesky old Constitution and how inconvenient it is for the cops to have to follow it when putting away the bad guys.  If criminals go free in this case, it will be <i>entirely</i> the fault of the people who <i>chose</i> to plan and execute this raid in an illegal and unconstitutional manner.  They should be loudly and unequivocally denounced for it by everyone who wants to see justice served.</p>
<p>Regarding putting the kids in foster care:  If we grant that there exist cases where kids need to be removed from parents for their own safety, a <i>bare minimum</i> for this has to be an <i>actual suspicion that the child is in danger of harm or abuse</i>.  Maybe popular opinion is right that these guys really are evil and dangerous, but <i>the courts need evidence</i>.  In <i>every</i> case.  No exceptions, period.
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hellmut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally, I would agree with you, Kate.  Unfortunately, that is impossible because we are dealing with parents who are facilitating the rape of their underage daughters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally, I would agree with you, Kate.  Unfortunately, that is impossible because we are dealing with parents who are facilitating the rape of their underage daughters.
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that people do have the selfish gene and this means that these kids are much safer being raised by people who are genetically related to them who have an evolutionary stake to make sure they thrive...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that people do have the selfish gene and this means that these kids are much safer being raised by people who are genetically related to them who have an evolutionary stake to make sure they thrive&#8230;
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the FLDS situation reminded me of a group of lionesses sharing the duties of caring for the cubs which is a much better support system than contemporary american society that leaves kids home alone parked in front of the television</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the FLDS situation reminded me of a group of lionesses sharing the duties of caring for the cubs which is a much better support system than contemporary american society that leaves kids home alone parked in front of the television
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive heard of that book. But you are forgetting women and men are different. Many women can share one man and pass along their genes but many men cant share one woman and pass along their genes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive heard of that book. But you are forgetting women and men are different. Many women can share one man and pass along their genes but many men cant share one woman and pass along their genes
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hellmut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think most women are jealous because of the socialization of American society which makes women compete with each other over men. A man cant have a new wife without dumping the previous wife. Alot of men have secret mistresses of course.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Women are naturally jealous, Katie.  So are men.  You might want to read &lt;a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Selfish Gene&lt;/a&gt; by Richard Dawkins, which explores among other things the biological foundations of jealousy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think most women are jealous because of the socialization of American society which makes women compete with each other over men. A man cant have a new wife without dumping the previous wife. Alot of men have secret mistresses of course.</p></blockquote>
<p>Women are naturally jealous, Katie.  So are men.  You might want to read <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene rel="nofollow">The Selfish Gene</a> by Richard Dawkins, which explores among other things the biological foundations of jealousy.
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murder of people was a crime sure but what Hitler did was reduce Jews to non persons non citizens. You know what I dont even blame hitler for what happened. He only encouraged people to do what they already wanted to do anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murder of people was a crime sure but what Hitler did was reduce Jews to non persons non citizens. You know what I dont even blame hitler for what happened. He only encouraged people to do what they already wanted to do anyway.
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