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		<title>By: Jonathan Blake</title>
		<link>http://latterdaymainstreet.com/2007/11/21/what-women-know/comment-page-1/#comment-5181</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth, I hope it was just a temporary glitch. Let me know if you&#039;re still having trouble.

dpc, I look forward to our culture evolving. I believe in social Darwinism just enough to not value cultural stasis. It is regrettable, however, that cultures that place emphasis on breeding have an advantage in the long run, but that&#039;s always been the case. Our current culture was developed under those same influences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth, I hope it was just a temporary glitch. Let me know if you&#8217;re still having trouble.</p>
<p>dpc, I look forward to our culture evolving. I believe in social Darwinism just enough to not value cultural stasis. It is regrettable, however, that cultures that place emphasis on breeding have an advantage in the long run, but that&#8217;s always been the case. Our current culture was developed under those same influences.
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		<title>By: dpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan:

&quot;Iâ€™m still not worried because total world population continues to grow, and Iâ€™m not concerned with preserving a particular culture.&quot;

Yeah, but we spent thousands of years developing ours.  It would be a shame if all that effort went to waste.

&quot;Maybe Iâ€™ll have an extra couple kids just to be safe.&quot;

As long as you have two kids, you&#039;ve fulfilled your moral obligation to society. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan:</p>
<p>&#8220;Iâ€™m still not worried because total world population continues to grow, and Iâ€™m not concerned with preserving a particular culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, but we spent thousands of years developing ours.  It would be a shame if all that effort went to waste.</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe Iâ€™ll have an extra couple kids just to be safe.&#8221;</p>
<p>As long as you have two kids, you&#8217;ve fulfilled your moral obligation to society. <img src='http://latterdaymainstreet.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

What&#039;s up with your blog? My aggregator is picking up additional posts, but I&#039;m unable to click through to the blog itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>What&#8217;s up with your blog? My aggregator is picking up additional posts, but I&#8217;m unable to click through to the blog itself.
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		<title>By: Jonathan Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I take back what I said. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Many countries are below replacement birth rates&lt;/a&gt;, but populations continue to increase due to immigration.

I&#039;m still not worried because total world population continues to grow, and I&#039;m not concerned with preserving a particular culture.

Maybe I&#039;ll have an extra couple kids just to be safe. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I take back what I said. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility" rel="nofollow">Many countries are below replacement birth rates</a>, but populations continue to increase due to immigration.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still not worried because total world population continues to grow, and I&#8217;m not concerned with preserving a particular culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dpc,

I wouldn&#039;t worry. Very few countries are failing to meet the birth rate necessary for population stability. When it becomes a problem, I&#039;ll start worrying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dpc,</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t worry. Very few countries are failing to meet the birth rate necessary for population stability. When it becomes a problem, I&#8217;ll start worrying.
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		<title>By: Guy Noir Private Eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Noir Private Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hellmut: we both meant the same re Fertility  &amp;Birth rates, I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hellmut: we both meant the same re Fertility  &amp;Birth rates, I believe.
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		<title>By: dpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aerin:

I was talking about maintaining our society and culture where it is.  I want my kids and their kids, and their kids, etc. to be able to enjoy the same freedoms that I was able to enjoy under our Western liberal democracy.  It would be a shame to see it wilt away because of fewer and fewer people.  

&quot;Itâ€™s also incredibly arrogant of me to assume that my culture and values are the â€œrightâ€ values.

Then again, I canâ€™t say that Iâ€™m not disgusted when I read about the treatment of some women in Saudi Arabia or in various countries.&quot;

That&#039;s the dilemma of every moral relativist. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aerin:</p>
<p>I was talking about maintaining our society and culture where it is.  I want my kids and their kids, and their kids, etc. to be able to enjoy the same freedoms that I was able to enjoy under our Western liberal democracy.  It would be a shame to see it wilt away because of fewer and fewer people.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s also incredibly arrogant of me to assume that my culture and values are the â€œrightâ€ values.</p>
<p>Then again, I canâ€™t say that Iâ€™m not disgusted when I read about the treatment of some women in Saudi Arabia or in various countries.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: aerin</title>
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		<dc:creator>aerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dpc wrote:
 &quot;The cost of attracting high quality immigrants and then helping them with the acculturation process is much more difficult then having children born and raising them in the system. That is not to say that immigration is bad, however. I just donâ€™t think that it good to rely on it as your sole source of population growth.&quot;

I disagree with this statement.  I don&#039;t think that increasing the population in &quot;western&quot; countries is the answer or a good long term solution.  I would think we should work for change within many of the cultures to promote human rights, knowledge, understanding, etc.  As far as the environment goes, each human born adds to the amount of carbon they will add to the atmosphere.  

So, if we&#039;re concerned with global warming and the impact of humans on the environment, it would make sense that we would try to increase the education, core values (like women&#039;s rights), decrease poverty, etc. within other cultures instead of just attempting to &quot;breed&quot; them out.  

It&#039;s also incredibly arrogant of me to assume that my culture and values are the &quot;right&quot; values.  

Then again, I can&#039;t say that I&#039;m not disgusted when I read about the treatment of some women in Saudi Arabia or in various countries.  

I don&#039;t know that there is an answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dpc wrote:<br />
 &#8220;The cost of attracting high quality immigrants and then helping them with the acculturation process is much more difficult then having children born and raising them in the system. That is not to say that immigration is bad, however. I just donâ€™t think that it good to rely on it as your sole source of population growth.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree with this statement.  I don&#8217;t think that increasing the population in &#8220;western&#8221; countries is the answer or a good long term solution.  I would think we should work for change within many of the cultures to promote human rights, knowledge, understanding, etc.  As far as the environment goes, each human born adds to the amount of carbon they will add to the atmosphere.  </p>
<p>So, if we&#8217;re concerned with global warming and the impact of humans on the environment, it would make sense that we would try to increase the education, core values (like women&#8217;s rights), decrease poverty, etc. within other cultures instead of just attempting to &#8220;breed&#8221; them out.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also incredibly arrogant of me to assume that my culture and values are the &#8220;right&#8221; values.  </p>
<p>Then again, I can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;m not disgusted when I read about the treatment of some women in Saudi Arabia or in various countries.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that there is an answer.
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		<title>By: dpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hellmut said:

&quot;Since the inception of social security in the 1880s in Europe, birth rates have dramatically fallen. Social security has yet to fail anywhere. The reason for the programâ€™s counter-intuitive success is that per capita productivity has outpaced the decline of family size.&quot;

I think you make valid points with which I agree.  However, even though the system may not bankrupt itself, if there are no people around for the system to benefit, what good is that?

That&#039;s why I believe that every person who is physically and psychologically able to have children should have two children in order to maintain population stability.  I can&#039;t think of any justifications for an exception.    I&#039;m sure that someone will say something about financial constraints or timing, but I can&#039;t think of any optimal time to have children.  You&#039;re going to be poorer whether you have them at age 21 or 31.  The timing issue is somewhat irrelevant.  You should have two children while you are still fertile and healthy and have the psychological wherewithall to have children.  The younger you are, the less likely you will be psychologically prepared for children.  The older you are, you are more likely to have fertility and health issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hellmut said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Since the inception of social security in the 1880s in Europe, birth rates have dramatically fallen. Social security has yet to fail anywhere. The reason for the programâ€™s counter-intuitive success is that per capita productivity has outpaced the decline of family size.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you make valid points with which I agree.  However, even though the system may not bankrupt itself, if there are no people around for the system to benefit, what good is that?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I believe that every person who is physically and psychologically able to have children should have two children in order to maintain population stability.  I can&#8217;t think of any justifications for an exception.    I&#8217;m sure that someone will say something about financial constraints or timing, but I can&#8217;t think of any optimal time to have children.  You&#8217;re going to be poorer whether you have them at age 21 or 31.  The timing issue is somewhat irrelevant.  You should have two children while you are still fertile and healthy and have the psychological wherewithall to have children.  The younger you are, the less likely you will be psychologically prepared for children.  The older you are, you are more likely to have fertility and health issues.
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hellmut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see why people would be concerned about social security in light of declining birth rates.  Sometimes, however, the obvious conclusions are wrong.

The ratio of old to young people is not necessarily the relevant figure to determine the viability of pay roll tax financed programs.  What matters is the productivity of the work force.  As long as the GDP grows somewhat faster than two percent per year, which is the growth that the bankruptcy studies assume, there won&#039;t be a problem with social security.

Medicare is a different story.  Unlike social security, there is a real crisis with Medicare.  That has to do with the rapid increase of health care costs.

That could be substantially alleviated if we modernized the American health insurance system, which is the most wasteful and inefficient system in the world.  We are spending twice as much per capita than anyone else only to achieve life expectancy and childhood mortality rates of some third world countries.

Since the inception of social security in the 1880s in Europe, birth rates have dramatically fallen.  Social security has yet to fail anywhere.  The reason for the program&#039;s counter-intuitive success is that per capita productivity has outpaced the decline of family size.

In fact, productivity could not have increased as rapidly if families had not become smaller because parents could not have afforded to sufficiently invest into their children&#039;s education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see why people would be concerned about social security in light of declining birth rates.  Sometimes, however, the obvious conclusions are wrong.</p>
<p>The ratio of old to young people is not necessarily the relevant figure to determine the viability of pay roll tax financed programs.  What matters is the productivity of the work force.  As long as the GDP grows somewhat faster than two percent per year, which is the growth that the bankruptcy studies assume, there won&#8217;t be a problem with social security.</p>
<p>Medicare is a different story.  Unlike social security, there is a real crisis with Medicare.  That has to do with the rapid increase of health care costs.</p>
<p>That could be substantially alleviated if we modernized the American health insurance system, which is the most wasteful and inefficient system in the world.  We are spending twice as much per capita than anyone else only to achieve life expectancy and childhood mortality rates of some third world countries.</p>
<p>Since the inception of social security in the 1880s in Europe, birth rates have dramatically fallen.  Social security has yet to fail anywhere.  The reason for the program&#8217;s counter-intuitive success is that per capita productivity has outpaced the decline of family size.</p>
<p>In fact, productivity could not have increased as rapidly if families had not become smaller because parents could not have afforded to sufficiently invest into their children&#8217;s education.
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